tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2965766791260152878.post5000130647863350257..comments2023-03-13T07:57:36.570-07:00Comments on Astro-Climate-Connection: Short Comings of the Planetary Spin-Orbit Coupling ModelNinderthanahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00390339452469614741noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2965766791260152878.post-43700114205634635882012-04-24T20:27:24.539-07:002012-04-24T20:27:24.539-07:00Ninderthana Apr 12, 2012 11:01 AM
It's more ...<i>Ninderthana Apr 12, 2012 11:01 AM<br /><br /><br />It's more like a tidal torquing, produced by the gravity of Jupiter acting upon the momentary tidal bulge produced by alignments of Earth and Venus every 1.6 years that changes the rotation rate of the outer layers of the Sun (e.g. near the tacho-cline).</i><br /><br />I had not realized the Earth-Venus pulse every 1.6 years. I also remember Howe's inner solar pulse at around the same interval which you have now given an option for. I think you are making some worthwhile headway here.<br /><br />I wrote an article in 2009 on Carl's blog re Howe's paper that might interest some.<br /><br />landscheidt.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/latest-solar-differential-rotation-information/Geoff Sharphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09541863781282691627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2965766791260152878.post-86298778199553107642012-04-17T17:21:56.583-07:002012-04-17T17:21:56.583-07:00As we have noted above:
If we assume that the enh...As we have noted above:<br /><br />If we assume that the enhanced tidal bulge only lasts while Venus moves from being two degrees behind the Earth in Helio-centric latitude, to two degrees ahead.<br /><br />Venus moves at ~ 360/224.70 degrees per day.<br />i.e. 1.602 degrees per day.<br /><br />Earth moves at ~ 360/365.26 degrees per day.<br />i.e. 0.986 degrees per day.<br /><br />So each day, Venus moves ahead of the Earth by 0.616 degrees per day.<br /><br />Hence, it takes Venus roughly 6.5 days for it to move from being 2 degrees behind the Earth to 2 degrees ahead. <br /><br />Given that the maximum peak acceleration reaches ~ 3.0 micro-metres per second^-2, if we assume that half this peak acceleration is applied to 0.02 % of the Sun's mass for 6.5 full days at each of the roughly seven alignments of Venus and Earth over the 11.07 years it takes for θ to change from <br />0 to 90, the net change to to the Sun's velocity should be <br /><br />acceleration x delta time <br /><br />= 1.5x10^(-6) x 7 x x 6.5 x 24 x 3600 <br /><br />= 5.9 m/sec ~ 6 m/sec<br /><br />This is remarkable close to the amplitude of the torsional oscillations seen on the surface of the Sun of ∼6 ms^−1 (0.0086 μrad ^s−1) observed by Howe et al. (2000).<br /><br />This raises the intriguing possibility that the torsional oscillations in the outer layers of the Sun may be a product of the mechanism that is responsible for the tidal torquing between Jupiter and the Sun.<br /><br />[N.B. It is interesting to note that the average OBSERVED change in the equatorial rotation rate between solar cycles of 0.0062 μrad s^−1, corresponds to a change in speed at the Sun’s equator of 4.3 ms^−1. Also, remarkably close to the 6 ms^-1 cited above]Ninderthanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00390339452469614741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2965766791260152878.post-2730173283914131442012-04-12T11:01:11.740-07:002012-04-12T11:01:11.740-07:00I should add that while I am claiming that Jupiter...I should add that while I am claiming that Jupiter, the Earth and Venus affect the rotation rate of the Sun, the orbital motion of the Sun about the Barycentre of the Solar system is produced by the changing orientation of the Jovian planets.<br /><br />Hence, I am not claiming a classical spin-orbit coupling mechanism is responsible.<br /><br />It's more like a tidal torquing, produced by the gravity of Jupiter acting upon the momentary tidal bulge produced by alignments of Earth and Venus every 1.6 years that changes the rotation rate of the outer layers of the Sun (e.g. near the tacho-cline).<br /><br />I am claiming that this means that variations in the Sun's rotation rate are synchronized with the rate of the Sun's motion about the Solar system's Barycentre for the simple reason that the orbits periods of terrestrial planets are synchronized with the orbital periods of the Jovian planets (particularly Jupiter).Ninderthanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00390339452469614741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2965766791260152878.post-34592506491516509352012-04-12T10:51:22.599-07:002012-04-12T10:51:22.599-07:00Agile Aspect,
These calculations are ...Agile Aspect,<br /><br /> These calculations are not meant to thorough, they are just back-of-the-envelope. <br /><br /> There is a momentary tidal bulge that appears on the surface of the Sun for a brief period when Venus and Earth align once every 1.6 years. I am assuming that Jupiter's gravity tugs on this tidal bulge over the brief time that it exists (i.e. there is tidal torquing which affects rotation rate of the Sun).<br /><br /> Let's say that enhanced tidal bulge only lasts while Venus moves from being two degrees behind the Earth in Helio-centric latitude, to two degrees ahead.<br /><br />Venus moves at ~ 360/224.70 degrees per day.<br />i.e. 1.602 degrees per day.<br /><br />Earth moves at ~ 360/365.26 degrees per day.<br />i.e. 0.986 degrees per day.<br /><br />So each day, Venus moves ahead of the Earth by 0.616 degrees per day.<br /><br />So it takes Venus roughly 6.5 days for it to move from being 2 degrees behind the Earth to 2 degrees ahead. This is short compared to the 27 rotation period of the Sun. [note: even if you extended the alignment period from 5 degrees behind to 5 degrees ahead the tidal bulge would only last for 16.2 days, which is still ~ 1/2 the rotation period of the Sun).<br /><br />I am not sure about your concerns about the dissipative nature of the tides induced by the alignments of Venus & Earth, since I am only using the tidal bulge as an asymmetric handle that Jupiter's gravity can grasp with its gravity.Ninderthanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00390339452469614741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2965766791260152878.post-55513631172268180542012-04-11T14:14:50.956-07:002012-04-11T14:14:50.956-07:00It's not clear what you mean by spin orbit cou...It's not clear what you mean by spin orbit coupling. <br /><br />First, you've only calculated 2 points on the surface of the Sun facing Jupiter (ignoring the mutual rotations.) <br /><br />Since the force equation is a second order differential equation in time, you still have to integrate 6 equations for roughly a billion years.<br /><br />Second, shouldn't the spin direction be in the direction opposite to the direction of the objects angular momentum is rotating since tidal forces are dissipative? <br /><br />This is assuming the spin axis is the same axis as the angular momentum. <br /><br />Gravity is weak to begin with - tidal dissipation is even weaker.Agile Aspectnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2965766791260152878.post-43282052218843411202012-03-20T18:40:29.393-07:002012-03-20T18:40:29.393-07:00Hello! Is there anybody out there?Hello! Is there anybody out there?Ninderthanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00390339452469614741noreply@blogger.com